I would like a little more oomph than 9mm, and have been considering .40 S&W. no frills just reliable. Whether firing a 17, 19, 22, 23, or my larger models 20 and 21 they worked perfectly and though the big ones felt different they worked perfectly when running rapid fire timed drills. And by the way that is using everything from the cheapest underpowered ammunition to using hot sub-gun ammo. As for the tac light issue i haven’t seen any problems yet. Advice appreciated. It has the newest "dot" connector and let me tell you, it works. my m9 went away.the gen4 without backstraps is a smaller grip than the g3. I must say my glock has never let me down. Just make three different size grips. It also has to do with exacting tolerances to deal with “Pressure”. I wasn’t aware of the glock offering the free conversion – that’s great information! The gun would still fire but that is another story. Probably trade the M9 for another Glock. ?LOL ofcourse there having all kinds of FTF, FTE promblems! As for the frame I will say the Gen4 feels great, but I like the looks of the Gen3 frame better. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. Whichever Glock you pick, enjoy it ! I wasn’t sure about it at first. However, there's just enough of a difference that it could definitely tilt you to one side or another if deciding between a Glock Gen 3 vs Glock Gen 4 pistol. Once the trigger job was completed on her M&P, I must say her trigger (@ 2.75# by Tim Ward in Brunswick, Ga) is far superior to mine. I think the g4 is an improvement.When you buy a new gen4 I recommend breaking in with heavy grain ammo, dont limp wrist and definetly clean it and lube it first like you should anyway. Well, better is very, very relative. (Some lady cop from Springfield MO had the most worn glock I ever saw, I swear she must have fired that thing two or three hundred thousand rounds). However, many of the folks I shoot with think that Glock is just the moon and then some. Took it to the range and thought it was the most uncontrollable weapon I had ever handled. First, I noticed that the GEN4 had less muzzle rise and kick due to the spring. GLOCK has shown itself to be an innovative firearms company that has changed the paradigm of pistol design and manufacture forever. I am not new to shooting. The Gen 4, on the other hand, has several sizes of backstrap that can be easily swapped in for a better fit. Of course many will say, “Well how much training do you think the average police officer gets?” And they unfortunately are correct, but that is beside the point. Ya the egomaniacs are out there. Any Glock owner knows that the standard release can be replaced by an extended one. Back when I bought it, knew nothing about Glock. If you can’t decide, flip a coin it worked for me ! Many Thanks in Advance! Then due the same with the Gen 3, at the same time. And yes, I’m of the prefer the Gen. 3 if it aint broke don’t fix it group. Just wondering if I got this right, Glock now has a reciol spring assembly for the Gen 3 23 that helps tame the opop up recoil, or am I just wishful thinking? I have considered an SF Glock .45 ACP, because my hands are small. It either fits you or it doesn't and there's not much to help it if that's the case short of an aftermarket frame. Gen 3 finishes were tennifer with a Black Oxide top coat. But then also, on a side note, I and my Gen. 3 Model 35 always have and always will be able to handle the “snap” from the recoil of the .40S&W. You have completely ignored the plethora of problems the Gen 4 pistols are experiencing! Very good information and comments. I was getting brass in face only on the first range visit. Anyways, I’m definitely happy I found it and My first “fix” attempt will be to run a thousand or so dry fires with some snap caps, then put in the -.5lb competition spring and see if it helps. I have 2 gen-4 Glocks, a g-22 and g-23. I just want to bring the thing up at about 8-12 inches away from my nose to sight the thing in. Failures seemed to be more because of “pilot error” than any fault with the gun. Fabulous gun. My Gen3’s have zero issues. Granted I’ve got small hands and short fingers but working with our local Sheriff’s office wh carry GlocksI’ve heard a multitude of complaints about grip size. I am sorry to hear that Gen 4 is giving folks problems. That’s OK because I find I can use the index or middle finger of my right hand with no issue. The reason the slide on Glock/SIG/HK/S&W/Taurus/whoever is thicker than a 1911, CZ 75, Browning P-35 is entirely to do with how the pistol locks. I have owned and fired them all. Am about ready to take the plunge and order a Glock 20 10mm for backpacking in bear country and woods use. No wonder is has led to malfunctions. I do occasionally shoot left handed just in case I have a need if my right arm is incapacitated. They said there so backed up, it could be months to get it back.WOW!! It does however have the new finish on it ? I am speaking from a professional trainer’s perspective. Simple, reliable, accurate, easy to work maintain and very nicely priced in comparison to the ‘real steel’ stuff. can you add a new gen 4 #23 barrel, slide ,and springs and shoot it safely in a gen 3 model #19? They are great shooting, accurate guns that are built to last ! ... ETS MAGAZINE For Glock 22 40SW $ 17.31. Solid 100% of the time. Personally, I think it’s all in one’s head. And yeah the 40s snappy, its a freakin 10mm short!! But after reading your post I am going for Gen 3 Glock 20 sf. I’d love to get a Glock, but they just don’t fit. If not then should i just take everything out and polish/sand all contacting surfaces within the trigger group and striker? Bought a Glock 17 Gen 3 several months ago. That is correct. Those who never owned one that finally decide to get one, may be doing so because of the new Gen4 features ? Glock also created modular backstraps for the Gen 4 pistols, which were cleverly named the "Glock Modular Backstraps.". My Gen2, Gen2.5, and Gen 3 have had 18,000 rounds of anything I could feed them, and they ate it up like they havent eaten in years, even Winchester white box by the thousands, so stop TELLING storries, sounds like this reveiw was typed by Glocks ADD DEPT. Do you honestly think anyone would go in to business NOT to make money? I am sticking with Gen 3’s. Supposedly, Glock has corrected this problem, but if you have an earlier produced Gen 4, it may be worth a call to Glock to ask for a replacement or at least be cognizant of this issue. Take the same 9mm round you shot in the Glock and shoot it out of a revolver like a Ruger Blackhawk with a 9mm cylinder or a Taurus 905. First one stamped 03, great for duty ammo, jam o matic for lighter recoiling rounds, new issue, 04! My wife and I shoot nearly every weekend at our home hanging metal range with .45 or 9mm and target range with .22 (when it is available in bulk supply). True or False? The order in the picture is a bit mixed up, but this is how it goes: 17 frame, 34 slide, 17 slide, and 34 frame. Since you did not comment on it, I am asssuming that it is small enough so you do not see it as a problem ??? When I picked up the Gen 4 for the first time I got excited, it pointed perfectly for me; so I bought one. THX. Another rocket scientist here…name one gun company that isn’t about sales dude? I had my Model 23 – Compact Generation 3 Glock (40 caliber) stolen awhile back and need to replace with something of the same model and caliber. Dull finish and the 3 mags that came with it were selling points. PRINT. The back strap options do nothing about the ridges of the finger detents digging into the middle of the ring finger. Glock recall on recoil springs. Back to the GEN 3 v. GEN 4: my GEN 3 enjoys an advantage in reliability at present and a nicer trigger pull. They need to follow what the other gun manufacters are doing. I have 4 Glock Gen4 guns. I have small to average hand size for a man, but never experianced any problems with grip. I’ll stick with the G3. Whatever, but not their gun! Trial and error, I will only need one shot! Have I solved my problem or should I look deeper? lol, *steel not steal. my gen.3 has over 10,000 rounds thru it with with NO PROB at all so i’ll stick with it for now. The Glock fits LE’s requirements for more reasons than reliability!!! Great article. But again this is a personal preference and there’s no real right or wrong answer. It is the consistency across the product line that is the problem. I can shoot Gen 3 and Gen 4 Glocks just fine, but many who are prone to limp wristing have the issue highly exaggerated when shooting a Gen 4 double recoil spring. I have never had the same confidence in any other type of semi automatic. As you've gathered so far, the differences between Glock Gen 4 vs Glock Gen 3 are moderate. An additional cross pin was added above the trigger guard pin, acting as a fence for the barrel link when the gun recoils. If I had to say there is a negative it is the weight of a box of .45s. Every Glock made has Tennifer baked into the steel of the slide. Thanks again. But my competition Glocks triggers are going to be worked by S & J Customs (SJC) in Lawrenceville, GA and will then be at the same level. Im just giving my Honest Opinion, buts theres alot of people all over the world that are sayin the same things!! No malfunctions yet with cheapy plinking rounds. Third, I like the new polymid grip. The problem with Glocks effort to improve opon Glocks original design , was a after thought at best!! These kits are available in the following configurations: To me it is just another moving part that can “shift”, As you've gathered so far, the differences between Glock Gen 4 vs Glock Gen 3 are moderate. You can sharpen a knife on the top of a Glock slide. Same systems tryed in the G 31 I have a Gen 4 G22, which I puchased shortly after they were introduced to the market. Which is better? Gen 3 finishes were tennifer with a Black Oxide top coat. I was not able to bring it back to the states with me this spring, so when i came home I ordered a glock 23 gen 4. I love the gun now, but… after purchasing it I brought it home to breakdown/clean before taking to the range – I pulled out the recoil spring/guide rod assembly and barrel, reached to grab some supplies and “TING!”, the captured recoil spring assembly shot across my room in pieces. His varied interests and hobbies include camping, fishing, hunting, and spending time at the gun range as often as possible. Generation 5 magazines I think the new recoil assembly is a solution in search of a problem. The Model 23 I had a target barrel installed and finally got it to group well, the others shoot just so-so. I already had the 23 in a gen-3 and am unable to discern any obvious difference when shooting the gen-3 and gen-4 when it relates to recoil and shot placement. I find the gen-4 not as cozy Probably in my head. I need to say that I am impressed by the new GEN4 upon my first shoot. To answer your question, NO Glock didnt pay for there SO CALLED REVEIW, but lets face it, you guys SELL GUNS, DUHH. It seems like it. I just purchased aGlock 19 like the grips added the med back strap very good.negative comments: I don’t like the rear sight. Even the nose of the slide & barrel doen’t lose it’s finish. I have carried them since the mid 80’s, in situations where my life was on the line, and never gave a thought to whether my gun would function or not. Nice article,I am a new glock owner for about six months now.My choice was the gen.3,model 23.The firearm was highly recomended by a friend,and so far no regrets.I can understand how some might have problems with limp wrist/failure to feed problems.I have not,because I handle it like I am mad at it:) not really,but my grip is frim.And this is no dish on the glock,but my next purchase will be the springfield XDM. You can argue that some of the earlier changes were purely cosmetic, but the new recoil system is a true game changer in my humble opinion, and represents a true improvement in the design.  Unfortunately, this new spring system is big enough that it will not work in the Gen 3 guns because areas on both the frame and the slide needed to be re-designed to allow for the new recoil assembly.  Now, if I were an enterprising engineer, I’d come up with a retrofit kit for the Gen 3…. Nothing is changed internally or really all that substantially; the gun is pretty much the same except for some surface changes. Hints the SF models Short Frame, or Slim Frame models. The original trigger bar. The difference in the two finishes Gen 3 vs Gen 4 is the top coat ! I bought one, won one. Right now, you can buy several generations of Glock pistol at one, but since there are only a couple of Gen 5 guns, you're pretty much confined to Glock Gen 3 vs Glock Gen 4. Glock makes some minor revisions every so often to their basic design, leading to a new "generation" about every 10 years or so. I started shooting in ’60 and bought my first Glock at the end of ’80… I sold most of my other pistols shortly thereafter and haven’t looked back. You may think so, you may not. Excellent article. Tryed a couple of different tac lights and found one that works well. The Generation 4 gun is visually similar to that of a Generation 3 with the exception of Gen 4 actually being written on the slide. I’m glad I came across this forum. I had no issue with the sights other than they featured Glock’s completely ridiculous sight picture, so I changed those as well. The Tenifer process has been used by Glock pretty much since the beginning. Glock got scarred, when people started buying the adjustable frame guns for men and women with smaller hands. The difference had to due with “Pressure” tolerances and requirements given the polymer frames sightly expand or buldge out when fired. Hardcast isn’t like the regular, soft lead used in common bullets. (Ruger’s last few, as well as the 1911 come to mind. I own Glocks 22/24/27/35 for carry and competition. Sure enough, Glock responded to this with the MBS.  Unlike many of the current back strap systems out there, the Glock is a hollow plate that snaps over the rear of the grip.  The un-altered grip is a tad slimmer than the original Glock grip, then the “medium” back strap insert is the equivalent of your standard Glock 17/22.  The large gives those with bigger mitts a more natural amount to grip, so you don’t feel like you’re holding your kids squirtgun. A few shots went out of the groupings by about two inches and that was about it. Nor have I heard any of the very many LEO’s that have and use GLOCKS, both on and off duty, complain or have an issue with the so-called “grip angle” . The Norlite USK-G conversion kits are compatible with the following models of Gen 3, Gen 4 or Gen 5 Glock pistols: G17, G19, G45, G34, G22, G23, G24, G35, G31 and G32. Nothing is changed internally or really all that substantially; the gun is pretty much the same except for some surface changes. I immediately had to switch the mag release because I have short thumbs, and the position of the release had me having to cock the gun over a bit. The only concern I have on any of the design changes is the magazine release size. Your post was not up when I created mine, so I just noticed it. They made the magazine release button a little bigger and made it swappable for left-handed users. If I carried a Glock I NEW it would work everytime. I wonder, if you have small hands, has the gen 4 fixed the problem of the weapon wanting to twist in your hand so badly. I had lots of Glock owners tell me what I needed to do with the weapon. (1911 grips, am I right?) The recoil sensations are different, but I can’t say one is really worse than the other. In any case, all of my Glocks wear the Hogue Handall grip sleeve. Comon really?? Just Google Glock GEN 4 Failure videos, lots more every day pop up. Tennifer is NOT a finish. But all of the sub compacts have always had these. You will see a BIG difference. In the early 90’s when the Polymer Framed Glocks took off, I attended a Simunition Instructors Course (with my issued Sig P226 and also a M9). I purchased And yes I am a GLOCK FAN, we sell them in our gun shop, but the owner wont buy any used or new GEN 4 Glocks NO MATTER WHAT, THEY SUCK!!! Mike Hargreaves: you nailed the issue regarding conversion of recoil spring/guide rod of a Gen 4 to Gen 3 – Lone Wolf and some other companies also sell a similiar product for around $10 to allow you to use Gen 3 springs/guide rods (if so inclined). We have already seen the need to retrofit the 9mm Glocks with a different (weaker) recoil assembly. So if you want to waste money, and have to have the “new” thing, go for it. I recently bought a 17l and have had many problems with it feeding. I have only owned the new 19 gen 4. Once the extractor was broken in,perfection. People need to deflate their egos, and drain some testosterone. I forgot to mention the new mag release button, sticks right into your flesh if your right handed, and carry Strong Side 3oclock to 4 oclock. still not sure about the G4, needs to be on market longer as it does seem to have issues. The differences are mostly cosmetic; no substantial changes really were made until the most recent of the Glock generations. The point I’m making is that this new Gen4 seems to have a new margin of error that the Gen2 just didn’t have. Really why??? Are the new Gen3 / Gen4 magazines backwards compatible for the old Gen1 M19? Glocks could handle a limited amount of these with a cleaning directly after without trouble or harm to the gun. Why doesn’t anyone ever talk about the fact that Glocks have the wrong grip angle (unlike Sigs and 1911’s which give you instant sight aquisition when drawn from a holster)? Glock makes a simple, user friendly handgun that runs forever. It’s just a bit harder to clean afterwards, DUH ! They resprung everything including my magazines. by Aim-To- Please. The 1911, for example, uses locking lugs cut into the barrel hood in multiple locations and a swinging link to control the timing. Glock has always used the Tennifer process in every model. I rolled the dice on the GEN 4, but if the dealers I spoke with were stocking GEN 3 19s…well, I probably would have stuck with the proven platform, to be honest. 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